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April 12, 2005 - Rush Transcript available
Antiwar Movement Debates Occupation in Brooklyn
April 6, 2005 - St. Francis College, Brooklyn Heights
sponsored by Brooklyn Parents for Peace
In order of speaking: Carolyn Eisenberg (moderator), Alex Ryabov, Anthony Arnove, and Erik Gustafson. photos © 2005 Charles Jenks
Presentations and Rebuttals
MP3 - 1:05:43; 22.6 mb
http://www.grassrootspeace.org/audio/iraq_debate_06april05.mp3 - RealAudio version for dialups
Audience Comments and Questions; with Panel Responses
MP3 - 32:24; 11.2 mb
http://www.grassrootspeace.org/audio/iraq_debate_qa.mp3 - Real Audio version
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We note that this event was announced as a 'forum' rather than a 'debate.' In our opinion, people were invited to a forum and a debate broke out. You be the judge.
Anthony Arnove's prepared remarks (he may be contacted at arnove AT igc.org) Or see PDF file (all rights reserved)
Does the U.S. government does have an obligation to the Iraq people? Absolutely. An obligation for the crimes Washington supported for years when Saddam Hussein was an ally. For arming and supporting both sides in the brutal Iran-Iraq war. For the devastation of the 1991 Gulf War. For the use of depleted uranium munitions, cluster bombs, and bunker busters. For the devastating sanctions. For the invasion of 2003, and the humiliation and destruction and deaths that caused.
But the only way to begin to meet this obligation is to withdraw immediately — not six months or six years from now, but today.
Malcolm X once said, “If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches, that is not
The U.S. first of all has to pull out the knife.
But we should also state clearly that if there were any genuine justice for the people of Iraq, not only would
war criminals like Rumsfeld and Bush and Wolfowitz face prosecution for their crimes, the U.S.
government would be forced to pay them reparations.
--- Anthony Arnove, from his prepared remarks
Panelists (in order of presentation)
Carolyn Eisenberg (moderator), Co-Chair of Brooklyn Parents for Peace, is Professor of U.S. Foreign Policy at Hofstra University.
Alex Ryabov, a Brooklyn marine who served during the invasion of Iraq, is co-founder of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
Anthony Arnove, an author, journalist, and activist based in Brooklyn, edited "Iraq Under Siege: The Deadly Impact of Sanctions and War" (South End Press) and Terrorism and War, a collection of interviews with Howard Zinn (Seven Stories Press). With Howard Zinn he co-edited Voices of a People's History of the United States (Seven Stories Press). His work has appeared in publications here and abroad.
Erik Gustafson, a veteran of the Gulf War, is founder and Executive Director of the Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC), an organization dedicated to promoting policies that improve the lives of ordinary Iraqis. A recognized expert on Iraq and U.S. policy, he testifies at congressional briefings and policy forums and delivers lectures across North America.
[Bios from program announcement.]
We thank Mike Gorse for his excellent work in producing this transcript.
photo © 2005 Sunny Miller
This Veteran responded to the panel. photo © 2005 Sunny Miller
photo © 2005 Charles Jenks
NYU Students Lucas Keturi and Elizabeth Wrigley-Field (Campus Antiwar Network), and CAN Alumnus Shaun Harkin protested the CIA at NYU. Elizabeth updated the panel and audience on the situation of CCNY students and a staff person who had protested
military recruitment at City College.
Lucas and Elizabeth with Charlie Jenks.
March 12, 2005 - page created by Charlie Jenks